BUTHAYNA

Yes. Here is my stance on Harold and Sophi.

After the team switch, Sophi was my biggest suspect, based mainly on her actions during the first round. I felt, like Bianca, that her insistance of voting for Daria even when both Bianca and Izzy pointed out that this was a bad idea seemed very suspicious. Furthermore to be perfectly honest I had not read much about the Tracy/Harold/Stone drama that unfolded during the first two rounds. I realize now that it was idiotic of me, but this is my first Mafia game. I was more focused on the events unfolding on my own team than on the events on Illuminati, and thus Sophi was higher on my list of Spies than anyone on the Illuminati team.

However, on this new team I became aware of three things right off the bat. The first was that many people that I feel are citizens such as Bianca, Julia, Vladimir, and Hank suspected Harold to be a spy. The second was that many people that I felt were suspicious were on my team, while people I thought were citizizens were now on the Freemason team. The third, and more important, thing was that the Illuminati members seemed perfectly fine with continuing their chaos voting pattern, saving their decisions until the last minute and risking split votes again.

With this in mind, I felt it was best to vote for Harold to avoid the risk of spies taking advantage of a split vote. Even though Sophi was my main suspect, I voted for Harold to make sure the people I thought were citizens had a firm majority.

However, Harold's cover-up of his allignment has puzzled me a little. As I had mentioned to both Vladimir and Hank, one of my theories on Sophi was that she is a Traitor. I read that in last season there was a Traitor, a citizen who is secretly working with the spies. In my mind, it would be good for a Traitor to target lurkers in the beginning of the game, as it would hinder the other citizens from discovering information about the spies.

However, if Harold is indeed revealed to be a spy, this would destroy my theory on Sophi, as I believe she helped set the ball roling to target him.

But I do still consider the other possibility that Sophi could be a spy. I even mentioned this to you, Vladimir, although you seemed have forgotten to post it.


[17:40] Vladimir: wasn't she your top suspect last episode?
[17:42] spies7buthayna: Yes, she was. However, she also campaigned against Harold, or at least brought a lot of evidence against him. I feel that if I knew for sure that Harold was indeed a spy it would change my feelings towards Sophi, since she got the discussion going to exile him.
[17:42] Vladimir: That's the exact opposite of Bianca's stance on Sophi.
[17:43] spies7buthayna: I know, I read that as well.
[17:43] Vladimir: I take it you disagree with Bianca, then?
[17:43] spies7buthayna: I feel that so much discussion would not have been brought to a head if Sophi had not got the ball rolling against Harold.
[17:43] spies7buthayna: However, I suppose Sophi could always be turning against her fellow spy to save herself.


Because of this, I still suspect Sophi and am planning on voting for her because I feel that there is a possibility that she could be a spy.

Also, Vladimir, I would like to address something to you. I do not like how you posted this in what I feel is an attempt to make me look suspicious. I have always told everyone I would answer their any questions asked of me honestly and to the best of my ability. I even told you this in the conversation that we had where you retrieved this information:


[18:12] Vladimir: which leaves yourself, Dylan, and Kathie.
[18:12] Vladimir: and me of course. I guess I can self vote!
[18:13] spies7buthayna: Please do not self-vote. *laughs*. That would be very lame of you.
[18:13] Vladimir: I know
[18:13] Vladimir: I can promise you I will never self-vote
[18:14] spies7buthayna: Okay. Why, then, do you not have strong feelings one way or the other toward myself? And if there is something that you need explaining in my actions, I will try my best to explain it.

I do not like being framed in a way that looks like I was withholding information from you, which you did not even ask me about. I do not mind answering and stating my opinion publicly, buy in the future I would appreciate it you did not twist my conversations in such a way. I am not accusing you of being a spy, as I have told you more than once I believe you to be a citizen. However, I do feel that you did not present information against me accurately.

I have no clue how you get the idea that I was accusing you or even suggesting that you were withholding information from me? Nowhere in my initial post is that idea ever suggested or the implication ever made. Maybe your idea is that since it was posted on the burg it is an accusation and not a question? Can we not ask questions on the burg? It is part of the game just as much as AIM. Hell, look at my Kathie thread...the entire thread is two questions. Am I suggesting that she is withholding information from me? No, I'm just asking for information, which is exactly what I am doing here.

You did mention this:

[17:43] spies7buthayna: However, I suppose Sophi could always be turning against her fellow spy to save herself.

However, from reading that chat it is clear that this is a secondary opinion and something you believe less than your main opinion, which is that Sophi/Harold don't make sense together.

I still don't understand why you want to vote Sophi if you think Harold will be a spy, and if Harold being a spy will make her less suspicious. If you knew right now that Harold was a spy, would you vote Sophi still?

Alright, I really did wish to talk with Buthayna before posting this, however I will be gone for pretty much the entire day today until possibly late night and will be on very sporadically tomorrow. So I want for ample time for discussion, questions, and refutations. So let's get to it.

The following is a case on Buthayna and things which have begun to stand out to me as far as suspicious behaviors. Buthayna has been an incredibly tough read for me. Even right now, midway through Episode 5, I do not have a clear read of where her allegiance may lie. That concerns me. Most people I could give you a lean one way or another I think, but for her this is not the case. So here are some of the things which I have noticed over time and what has really stood out to me.

1. I don't have much in the way of direct quotes or contradictions in that regard. I think Buthayna is incredibly carefull about everything she says and does. It all seems rather calculated. Each of her votes have been slipped in without ever raising many eyebrows. Her Jim Bob vote happened quitely for the most part and was middle of the pack. Regarding Adra, she swayed back and forth between Daria and Adra and was ultimately swayed to vote Adra by Cassidy and Bianca. Now some make argue that this is a point in her favor that her later change to Adra makes her more cit because of how close the votes ended up being. But how many people could really be sure that Daria was going to get penalty votes like that? I still maintain that Adra was bussed by her buddies. Then there is the vote on Harold.

This one probably worries me the most. She explains that her reason for voting Harold has a lot to do with not wanting to split votes so greatly as for the final outcome to be swayed in favor of the spies. Honestly though, I think it was realized that there would be enough votes on Harold that there was no threat of that happening. As for Tracy, everyone including Judge Sam voted for her and I think was rightfully justified in doing so all things considered, so nothing there.

2. Another thing I have noticed is that Buthayna never really goes after anyone. I have yet to see any evidence of her strongly persuing a suspect of hers. 99% of her posts within the burg seem to fall into one of three categories. 1. Posting group chats. 2. Answering questions posed to her or the entire group. 3. Talking about her voting reasons.
There is never any questioning by her. Adding evidence to a case. Defending of other players. The same seems to occur within chats. Once the debate of suspects gets started, Buthayna has very little to say. (Note: I did not read into the Free Mason Chats heavily, so if someone knows something to the contrary of this, please point it out.) If anything is added, it tends to be rather nuetral in nature.

As for direct comments that are cause for concern. I don't have many to be honest. In reading through some past chats, one thing did stand out to me.

This was prior to the first exile. The illuminati had just been told by Marcus about his role.


Pulled the above out because Buthayna's immediate reaction was to call Marcus's role a lie. Still says best vote may be for Perry. Maybe it is not a terribly suspicious response, but I still wanted to point that out.

So, please leave your comments or questions. Throw your fruit or kittens if you so desire. Chop chop.

Edit: Just want to say that this is not an indication of my final vote, but it is one I am considering.

Hello everyone.

I would first like to apologize to everyone, including the host, for my absence and inactiveness during the last two weeks. As I have mentioned vaguely to some people, I have taken on some new responsibilities at the animal shelter. In more detail, this involves getting up at 5 am for my job, and returning home around 6 pm at night. This gives me a 3-4 hour window at home before I need to be in bed at 10 pm, and some of my time is spent preparing for work the next day. Some days I choose not go go online because I do not have the desire to, and would rather just relax and watch television. However, I do know that it is my own choice to put the amount of effort into the game that I am putting in, and for that I apologize to you all. When i signed up to play, I did not know that my new job responsibilities would conflict with the amount of time I have had to put in this game. If I had I would not have signed up.

I see, based on the preceding posts, that I am being accused of being a spy for my inactivity and some other factors. I will attempt to explain myself and hopefully you will believe me.

I will address Hank's points against me and then move on to Dylan's.

Hank's first point against me is that I seem very calculated in my speech and my actions.

In the first accusation, my speech, I ask, do you all think I talk this way normally in instant message conversations? Do you all think I type formally and eloquently, with no contractions and correct spelling? Do all of you honestly believe that I use the term *laughs* instead of the term "lol"? If you do, then you are clearly mistaken. Like other people, I have altered the way I talk as well to disguise my true identity. I have also altered my personality for this game. I am dark. I am soft-spoken. I am unfriendly. I am careful in the way I word things. If you cannot deal with this, then please eliminate me. When I signed up for this game I understood it to be a roleplaying game. It is obviously not, as most people just play as themselves. If you cannot handle a player that talks and acts in character because it disrupts with the way you relate to players in Mafia games, please, vote me off and spare yourself the agony with having to deal with me.

As for me being calculated in my actions, yes, I admit that I am more of a woman who waits and watches what other people do before taking my own actions. Part of this has to do with me being new to this game, and another part of it has to do with my own personality I have decided to portray. Perhaps this makes me a follower, or not an independent thinker, but this is just how I am.

Hank's second point against me is that I have not campaigned or gone after anyone. To be completely frank, if you want to have me start screaming at people and confronting people I am sorry to say that you will not see this happen, that is not me. I do have my own opinions and convictions, and have voiced them when asked in one on one conversations. To be honest, I had felt before tonight that Hank and Dylan were the people I had expressed my opinions most to about other players, but obviously based on their own posts they do not feel the same way. I am a little more hesitant to make these opinions public in posts or in group conversations, and during the fights and arguments that break out in the group chats I usually have nothing to add of value so I do not add it. I am not entirely sure why this is, but I suspect part of it is that the stronger personalities in the arguments intimidate me a little. I know that this makes me a weaker citizen or member of the town. I am not an idiot, I can tell how people react towards my contributions or lack thereof during group chats. I have tried to contribute by posting group chats and saving all my chats so I can retrieve them, but now I see that has made me suspicious as well.

Another reason that I have not really gone after other people is that I am not really sure what I should be looking for. At times I feel this has made me apathetic to the Spies game, because honestly I have felt that it is more luck than anything that aids one in catching these Spies. I had felt strange after the Lydia and Adrasteia votes when everyone seemed to crow about how they knew all along that they were Spies. To me, Adrasteia was nice. She was someone I talked to. When I voted for her, I wasn't at all sure about her being a spy like I had been about voting for Jim Bob. Afterwards when everyone was talking about how suspicious they were I was just troubled by it all because I did not feel that strongly about Adrasteia at al being a Spy, besides the fact that she was manipulative. Anyway, to be perfectly honest my feelings that this game has no logic in finding spies has made me a little disinterested in it, and thus could be another reason I do not make the time to come online as much anymore. I know this is terrible, and makes me a lazy player and a lazy citizen, but it is how I honestly feel.

I will comment on Dylan's things tomorrow, because I have to wake up at 5 am tomorrow and it is 12:30 for me right now. I apologize.

wht a copout.

1. u lyk say that it ur personality is quiet bcause its hw ur character is. i think that is BULLSHIT. ur making an excuse 4 ur character so that u dnt have to DO NYTHING.
2. ur not sure wat were luking for? were lookng 4 SPIES.
3. ur new 2 d game. um we have been playng for lyk one month now and ur not sure how to play and how to catch spies? r u hiding under a rock? hav u not seen othr ppl do it?
4. 2 ctch spies u dnt have to shout at ppl. i knw a fw ppl who try to ctch spies but they r not AHOLES or shout about it.
5. stop the drama. stop caling urself weak. i thnk ur smart bcause at least u can spell and lyk make big text and all that shit.

Buthay - you voted Harold to avoid a split vote. I see our chat and remember what it was like with the confusion in Illuminati when compared to the structuredness of Freemasons. However - what made Stone so much more citty that you would vote Harold to stop his exile?

aaaaaaaaaaaahahaha, I just noticed that instead of trying to drown a fish, your new catchphrase is that you tried to climb a glass wall to see the other side.

omg I totally did

I will now attempt to answer Dylan's questions.

Before Bianca made her post that made me change my vote, I was set on voting for Daria. To me, exiling an inactive was something that seemed to me like it would help the town. During the first few rounds I based my votes on voting for people who did not give me any information at all. I felt that if they were not telling me any information, why should I vote in their favor? This is why I was voting between Joshua and Jim Bob during the first round, and why I was going to vote for Daria during the second episode.

However, after I read Bianca's post I realized that voting an inactive off early in the game would be bad, because of the fact that it does not tell the town anything about the spies.

I was then put in a difficult position, because the people who were under the most suspicion were Adrasteia and Dylan. I had been close to both of them during the first round, and now they were both people that I were starting to get suspicious of. However, I also knew that if I voted for Adrasteia that I would be accused of jumping on the bandwagon regardless. After a conversation with Cassidy I decided to go with my gut and I voted for Adrasteia.

I switched my vote from Sophi to Harold in round three. I felt there were a majority of Spies on the Illuminati team and they could take an advantage if the votes split. I was also not going to be around during the night of the exile. Harold looked to me to be the one most certain to at least receive some votes from people I thought were citizens and would not change their votes, so I voted for him.

The vote was never between Stone and Harold for me. The only two I had heard talk about voting Stone were Dylan and Kleyton. I did not feel Kleyton's reasoning for voting for Stone was good, so I never gave it a second thought.

f u read d last season and lyk ndrestna dwat a tritor is then y wud u say that u dnt know what to luk for in looking 4 spies? r u luking 4 spies or r u luking 4 triators?

i thnk ur a spy luking 4 a tritor bcause ur losing!

Thank you. +points.

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The missing word is "understand", but it was close.