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spies7sophi (8:17:17 PM): hoy
spies7sophi (8:17:24 PM): summary of tracy is up
spies7sophi (8:17:33 PM): go tell me i suck and missed some huge case
spies7vladimir (8:17:38 PM): you suck
spies7vladimir (8:17:40 PM): and missed a huge case
spies7sophi (8:18:45 PM): what huge case?
spies7vladimir (8:19:16 PM): I don't know
spies7vladimir (8:19:18 PM): but you missed it
spies7sophi (8:19:42 PM): you are the most useless secret partner ever
spies7vladimir (8:20:44 PM): but I'm not your secret partner
spies7vladimir (8:20:53 PM): maybe my new secret partner feels that way though
spies7vladimir (8:20:55 PM): I will have to inquire
spies7vladimir (8:44:59 PM): what do you think about the Tracy case?
spies7sophi (8:47:24 PM): it isn't strong enough to vote on yet
spies7sophi (8:47:40 PM): if people come forward with evidence that tracy pushed marcus votes on them
spies7sophi (8:47:57 PM): and there's evidence she advocated perry while voting irulan
spies7sophi (8:48:02 PM): then it's a good case.
spies7vladimir (8:48:27 PM): She "pushed" a marcus vote on me, for what it's worth.
spies7vladimir (8:48:32 PM): I didn't find it suspicious though
spies7sophi (8:49:00 PM): well post a log
spies7sophi (8:49:08 PM): maybe they'll all pile up and we'll have something
spies7vladimir (8:49:48 PM): I don't think it really works like that.
spies7vladimir (8:59:46 PM): to finish my thought.
spies7vladimir (9:00:10 PM): If pushing to get Marcus exiled is scummy, does it matter how many times she did it, or is it just the fact that she did it that's scummy?
spies7vladimir (9:00:49 PM): IS there a difference between her pushing 2 people to vote Marcus and 6 people in terms of how scummy she is?
spies7sophi (9:03:15 PM): if she pushed a lot of people all at once while voting someone else?
spies7vladimir (9:03:30 PM): she voted Marcus
spies7sophi (9:04:19 PM): oh you right
spies7sophi (9:04:42 PM): extreme pushing can still be used as a mild case.
spies7vladimir (9:04:47 PM): eh
spies7sophi (9:04:56 PM): especially if marcus ever dies
spies7sophi (9:05:03 PM): good to have it in the forum
spies7vladimir (9:05:08 PM): eh
spies7sophi (9:05:29 PM): and beign the crazy bucketguard guy, he just might get lynched.
spies7vladimir (9:05:37 PM): He shouldn't
spies7sophi (9:05:43 PM): yeah he shouldent
spies7sophi (9:06:17 PM): but it's better to compile every case even if they suck.
spies7vladimir (9:06:30 PM): eh
spies7sophi (9:06:31 PM): more information, more organization, better scumhunting
spies7vladimir (9:06:41 PM): more informatoin can be a bad thing.
spies7vladimir (9:06:52 PM): organization is good
spies7vladimir (9:06:56 PM): scumhunting is terrible...
spies7vladimir (9:06:58 PM): i mean good
spies7vladimir (9:07:05 PM): information can really go either way.
spies7vladimir (10:38:33 PM): hello.
spies7sophi (10:41:38 PM): m
spies7vladimir (10:52:44 PM): sorry, got distracted...did you originally want to vote Daria because she was inactive and then later because she was active but a lurker?
spies7vladimir (10:52:51 PM): or maybe the other way around.
spies7sophi (10:54:03 PM): daria was never active
spies7sophi (10:54:24 PM): so i wanted to lynch her because she was lurky
spies7vladimir (10:56:30 PM): ok
spies7vladimir (10:56:39 PM): I'm really confused by this whole thing
spies7sophi (10:56:57 PM): so ask
spies7vladimir (10:57:12 PM): Originally you wanted her gone for being completely inactive?
spies7sophi (10:58:00 PM): you can't tell the difference between an inactive and a lurker until episode breaks where they get self votes
spies7sophi (10:58:31 PM): regardless of which she was, and especailly on the chance she was a lurker, she would not have been a bad lynch
spies7sophi (10:59:04 PM): because loosing her would have had no bad concequences
spies7sophi (10:59:16 PM): while loosing a townadra would have been bad
spies7vladimir (10:59:37 PM): letting adra loose among the town would indeed be fatal.
spies7sophi (11:00:02 PM): it was too early to lynch her. we got lucky
spies7sophi (11:00:08 PM): she could have easily been town
spies7vladimir (11:00:13 PM): Sorry, I'm just harassing you a bit about loosing v. losing.
spies7vladimir (11:00:44 PM): but why not wait and find out if Daria is a lurker or a pure inactive?
spies7sophi (11:00:50 PM): if you expect good spelling, go somewhere else
spies7sophi (11:01:10 PM): i don't care if she was a lurker or inactive.
spies7sophi (11:01:17 PM): she was a 0 information regardless
spies7vladimir (11:01:28 PM): why not no exile then?
spies7sophi (11:02:23 PM): because lynching a possible lurker is good.
spies7sophi (11:02:32 PM): because punishing lurking is essentail
spies7sophi (11:02:47 PM): because she voted in a scummy way at the end of day 1
spies7vladimir (11:03:42 PM): so then it wasn't a completely no information exile?
spies7sophi (11:04:16 PM): nobody ever talked to her
spies7sophi (11:04:31 PM): she never defended herself
spies7sophi (11:04:38 PM): so it was pretty no ino
spies7sophi (11:04:41 PM): info
spies7vladimir (11:04:47 PM): she voted episode 1, but nevr chatted to anyone?
spies7vladimir (11:04:53 PM): did she get self-votes ep 1?
spies7sophi (11:04:55 PM): yes
spies7vladimir (11:04:59 PM): for no conversations?
spies7sophi (11:05:02 PM): yeah
spies7sophi (11:05:04 PM): i think
spies7vladimir (11:05:07 PM): who did she vote?
spies7sophi (11:05:10 PM): you can check the log
spies7sophi (11:05:14 PM): she voted for jim bob?
spies7sophi (11:05:30 PM): yeah
spies7sophi (11:05:49 PM): and she recieved 2 penalty votes for no conversations
spies7vladimir (11:07:36 PM): I am physically unable to check logs
spies7vladimir (11:07:45 PM): it's a disability I was diagnosed with at a young age and never overcame
spies7vladimir (11:07:59 PM): so anyway, voted Jim Bob but wasn't around.
spies7vladimir (11:08:15 PM): how did you know she would never be replaced?
spies7sophi (11:08:28 PM): i expected she would vote again in day 2
spies7sophi (11:08:32 PM): like she did in day 1
spies7sophi (11:08:40 PM): whcih would result in her not getting replaced
spies7vladimir (11:11:33 PM): Bianca made it sound as though you were originally trying to get her exiled for being inactive, and then later wanted her exiled because she was not inactive, but rather lurking.
spies7vladimir (11:11:43 PM): any response to said statement?
spies7sophi (11:12:46 PM): there was confusion about the terms and i didn't always use them right
spies7sophi (11:13:24 PM): as i said, you can't tell the difference between a lurker and an inactive
spies7vladimir (11:13:58 PM): What if I were to suggest that you can
spies7sophi (11:14:25 PM): how would you?
spies7vladimir (11:15:28 PM): Lurker being someone who is actually made or making a presence in the game, but just a very minor one, or that they are hiding or putting in almost no effort...inactive being someone who simply hasn't been around period.
spies7sophi (11:16:00 PM): ok?
spies7vladimir (11:16:16 PM): ok
spies7sophi (11:16:26 PM): so how do you tell?
spies7vladimir (11:16:34 PM): well Daria never chatted to anyone
spies7vladimir (11:16:40 PM): so it's hard to say she's a lurker
spies7sophi (11:17:10 PM): how can you tell she hasn't chatted before the end of the ep?
spies7vladimir (11:17:12 PM): The simpler and more likely explanation is that she's inactive, not that she's around but choosing not to participate.
spies7vladimir (11:17:23 PM): by being online 24 hours a day
spies7vladimir (11:17:31 PM): and watching like a hawk
spies7vladimir (11:17:43 PM): or asking people if they've chatted with her or ever seen her online will also suffice.
spies7sophi (11:17:45 PM): because heaven forbid the lurker scum be invisible on aim
spies7vladimir (11:18:11 PM): well, if they are invisible on AIM, and getting in chats and nobody has chatted with them.
spies7vladimir (11:18:17 PM): then they're busted as it is.
spies7vladimir (11:26:58 PM): I guess Bianca dropped a post on you.
spies7sophi (11:27:09 PM): ooh
spies7vladimir (11:27:29 PM): and I'm not actually guessing because I'm reading it right now.
spies7sophi (11:32:44 PM): bianca uses active lurking to mean lurking
spies7vladimir (11:32:56 PM): what do you mean?
spies7vladimir (11:33:29 PM): what is the difference between how she uses it and how you use it?
spies7vladimir (11:33:33 PM): I guess is the better question
spies7sophi (11:34:38 PM): oh man
spies7sophi (11:34:43 PM): she's dissing my summary posts
spies7sophi (11:34:52 PM): that hurts
spies7vladimir (11:34:55 PM): are the gloves off now?
spies7sophi (11:35:00 PM): i work hard on those!
spies7vladimir (11:35:02 PM): Let me get some popcorn
spies7vladimir (11:35:55 PM): I don't agree with her assessment that your summary of Harold was weakening the case as an attempt to defend him as a spy buddy. I think that's a pretty big stretch.
spies7sophi (11:36:38 PM): let's see if she added any of these big cases to the thread
spies7sophi (11:38:59 PM): she did add the thing about her private chat with him
spies7vladimir (11:39:16 PM): private chat with a mysterious him?
spies7sophi (11:39:17 PM): but i feel i properly added it to the thread
spies7vladimir (11:39:46 PM): ah you mean bianca's harold chat
spies7sophi (11:39:49 PM): yeah
spies7sophi (11:40:06 PM): which appears to be the only significant evidence i left out of the intial one
spies7sophi (11:40:39 PM): or i might be wrong. there might be a case i missed. but nobody posted it in the thread either
spies7vladimir (11:41:03 PM): I think you missed both my parts about his weak Henry vote and also the hypocrisy inherent in his play.
spies7vladimir (11:41:07 PM): not positive, though
spies7sophi (11:42:38 PM): yup nothing about that
spies7sophi (11:42:41 PM): what about that?
spies7vladimir (11:43:01 PM): I'm saying that I don't believe your summary hit either of those points
spies7sophi (11:43:14 PM): yeah
spies7sophi (11:43:39 PM): but it might have been that i didn't learn about them, or that they were weaksauce and i didn't include them
spies7sophi (11:43:49 PM): so remind me what they were
spies7vladimir (11:43:59 PM): I'm just going to basically point you to my post.
spies7sophi (11:44:07 PM): ok
spies7vladimir (11:44:31 PM): they were basically the big two points I found suspicious.
spies7vladimir (11:44:47 PM): with some minor supporting points, like Julia getting canned and what have you
spies7vladimir (11:44:53 PM):
spies7.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=illuminati322&thread=2221&page=1#6814spies7sophi (11:46:20 PM): k
spies7sophi (11:46:26 PM): THAT post...
spies7sophi (11:46:55 PM): i had a hard time understanding it, so i replied to biancas first with the intention of coming back to it
spies7sophi (11:47:12 PM): but then harold got all in faces and i didn't do it
spies7vladimir (11:47:20 PM): It's ok, you can tell me it was too long and you didn't read it :-)
spies7sophi (11:47:21 PM): i STILL don't understand that post
spies7vladimir (11:47:35 PM): why not?
spies7sophi (11:48:44 PM): it's not skimmable
spies7sophi (11:48:50 PM): especally near the bottom
spies7sophi (11:49:07 PM): where you have a number of 1 or 2 line chat logs without context
spies7vladimir (11:49:30 PM): they don't need context
spies7vladimir (11:49:32 PM): they speak to themselves
spies7sophi (11:49:43 PM): so it was hard to reply to so i didn't right then, and then i never did.
spies7sophi (11:49:57 PM): so i guess yes. i didn't support those points in the summary
spies7vladimir (11:50:12 PM): I was making the point that he found it suspicious that Tracy tried to get people to vote for Marcus
spies7vladimir (11:50:21 PM): the part of his quote I made bigger
spies7vladimir (11:50:36 PM): then I showed a clip from a chat where he tries to get people to vote Marcus
spies7vladimir (11:50:57 PM): the exact same thing he found suspicious when Tracy did it
spies7sophi (11:52:32 PM): do you think that those are the cases that bianca is refering to?
spies7sophi (11:52:49 PM): and/or do you think me scummy for not including them?
spies7vladimir (11:52:56 PM): I don't know, and no.
spies7sophi (11:53:27 PM): she called me out but didn't say what i should defend against
spies7vladimir (11:54:50 PM): The point she was making is that you weakened the Harold case.
spies7vladimir (11:55:02 PM): I'd just ask her to give specifics
spies7sophi (11:55:38 PM): i did weaken the harold case though. i shined light on the various aspects of it and a number of the cases were not as good as people thought they were
spies7sophi (11:56:20 PM): it's possible that if enough of the cases were crap that the thread could have changed the vote
spies7vladimir (11:56:40 PM): maybe, I don't know.
spies7vladimir (11:56:51 PM): I guess any of the points that you made weaker weren't points I was really considering anyway.
spies7vladimir (11:57:03 PM): so I didn't really pay much attention to it.
spies7sophi (11:57:14 PM): ah
spies7sophi (11:57:49 PM): well i hope bianca comes around.
spies7sophi (11:57:52 PM): she's townish
spies7vladimir (11:58:01 PM): yeah
spies7vladimir (11:58:12 PM): her actions toward Adra are at least.
spies7sophi (11:58:24 PM): but it's huge
spies7sophi (11:58:42 PM): she singlehandedly caused the adra lynch
spies7sophi (11:58:52 PM): if she just shut up, we would have lynched daria
spies7vladimir (11:58:59 PM): I agree
spies7sophi (11:59:19 PM): so yeah. she's town
spies7vladimir (11:59:50 PM): very likely so...unless she loves the bus beyond what is reasonable to love.
spies7sophi (11:59:56 PM): lol
spies7sophi (12:00:12 AM): maybe the scum get points for bussing or something
spies7sophi (12:00:22 AM): this game is crazy
spies7vladimir (12:00:28 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (12:00:41 AM): maybe this game is an application for a real life bus driver position.
spies7sophi (12:00:47 AM): ehhh i don't want to defend myself tonight. i'm sleepy
spies7vladimir (12:00:50 AM): and the spies are doing whatever they can to get it.
spies7sophi (12:01:03 AM): i'll have at it tomorrow
spies7sophi (12:01:34 AM): i also wrote an awesome logical proof today for philosophy class
spies7sophi (12:02:09 AM): yup
spies7sophi (12:02:12 AM): sleep
spies7vladimir (12:02:19 AM): proof of what?
spies7sophi (12:02:48 AM): logical improvability as a nessessary aspect of god
spies7vladimir (12:03:17 AM): how so?
spies7sophi (12:03:23 AM): blahhhh
spies7sophi (12:03:24 AM): really?
spies7sophi (12:03:29 AM): ok
spies7vladimir (12:03:39 AM): you don't haev to if you don't want...I'm just interested.
spies7sophi (12:03:43 AM): assume an external world in which we have sense perceptions
spies7sophi (12:04:02 AM): also assume that the universe is not infinate, but made out of a closed set of objects.
spies7sophi (12:04:22 AM): so like, there's only so many atoms out there.
spies7vladimir (12:04:26 AM): ok
spies7sophi (12:04:30 AM): not infinate
spies7sophi (12:04:54 AM): so any given object has measurable criteria
spies7sophi (12:05:01 AM): like weight, size whatever
spies7sophi (12:05:17 AM): and objects could be ordered by size or weight
spies7sophi (12:06:04 AM): logically there must be a non empty sub set of the set of all objects known as the Biggest Object(s) subset.
spies7sophi (12:06:24 AM): which contains either the biggest object, or all objects tied for biggest
spies7vladimir (12:06:30 AM): ok
spies7sophi (12:06:37 AM): the same can be said for any measurable criteria
spies7sophi (12:07:23 AM): so now here comes god.
spies7sophi (12:07:38 AM): this is a monothesitic popular faith god.
spies7sophi (12:07:41 AM): OOO stuff
spies7sophi (12:08:11 AM): if he exists, he'd be in the set of all objects
spies7sophi (12:08:40 AM): and if you measured objects by Power, he'd be at the top
spies7sophi (12:08:43 AM): cos he's all powerful
spies7sophi (12:09:20 AM): however, to logically prove the existance of an object, you have to be able to uniquely subset it.
spies7sophi (12:09:49 AM): and it is not the case that the highest value in a closed set must be infinate.
spies7sophi (12:10:13 AM): thus it is not nessessarily true that the most powerful thing in the set is god.
spies7vladimir (12:10:26 AM): how is power a measurable criteria?
spies7sophi (12:10:46 AM): THEREFOR: you can not use logical provability to ever prove the existance of god.
spies7sophi (12:11:26 AM): you can measure it any way you choose so long as it's metrical
spies7sophi (12:12:15 AM): the power a god has is the ability to create stuff
spies7sophi (12:12:44 AM): so you could measure the probabillity of stuff creation caused by each object
spies7sophi (12:13:17 AM): or if you'd like to use omnibenevilent instead, you could measure the 'goodness' of each object.
spies7sophi (12:13:24 AM): using whatever method you choose
spies7vladimir (12:14:08 AM): if god is all powerful, then he would then be capable of creating the biggest object, right?
spies7sophi (12:14:20 AM): sure
spies7vladimir (12:14:35 AM): how would it be possible for another object to be able to out create that?
spies7sophi (12:14:54 AM): what?
spies7sophi (12:15:42 AM): all other objects have a limited 'power' rating, but god has an unlimted power rating.
spies7vladimir (12:15:45 AM): If the measurement of power is creation...and the universe contains a biggest object, then the biggest creator would be one capable of creating the biggest object...something god would be capable of.
spies7vladimir (12:16:00 AM): so then couldn't you classify him as the biggest creator?
spies7sophi (12:16:11 AM): um sure.
spies7vladimir (12:16:25 AM): so logically how could there be a bigger creator?
spies7sophi (12:16:39 AM): ah i see where the confusion is
spies7sophi (12:17:29 AM): the statement "god has unlimited power" and "god is the most powerful" are not interchangable.
spies7sophi (12:17:53 AM): consider that a star has some non zero amount of creation power in it.
spies7vladimir (12:18:00 AM): ok
spies7sophi (12:18:27 AM): if "god is the most powerful thing" and the most powerful thing in your set is some big ass star, then it gets to be god.
spies7sophi (12:18:33 AM): which is clearly not the case
spies7vladimir (12:19:05 AM): but why can't your set's most powerful thing be god?
spies7sophi (12:19:32 AM): it can, but it's not nessessarly
spies7sophi (12:20:00 AM): a set does not require an infinity in it.
spies7vladimir (12:20:05 AM): yeah
spies7sophi (12:20:19 AM): it's not a proof that god doesn't exist
spies7vladimir (12:20:24 AM): I know
spies7sophi (12:20:38 AM): it's just that you can't prove he exists though purly logical means.
spies7vladimir (12:21:35 AM): yeah, I understand...my question is what separates god from the rest of the pack. Using the same criteria used to suggest god cannot be logically proven, why can't a big ass star also not be logically proven?
spies7sophi (12:21:36 AM): also this assumes a closed set of the universe
spies7sophi (12:22:13 AM): m
spies7sophi (12:22:47 AM): using the assumptions at the top, you can then logically deduce the existance of a non empty set of largest objects.
spies7sophi (12:23:13 AM): "there must be a largest object"
spies7vladimir (12:23:18 AM): eys
spies7sophi (12:23:18 AM): it must exist
spies7vladimir (12:23:20 AM): yes
spies7vladimir (12:23:33 AM): with a non-zero set, there is a largest
spies7sophi (12:24:08 AM): likewise "the most creationy object" must exist also.
spies7vladimir (12:24:21 AM): yes
spies7sophi (12:24:35 AM): but that is not criteria for then saying that that object must be god.
spies7vladimir (12:24:55 AM): alright
spies7vladimir (12:24:57 AM): ys
spies7vladimir (12:24:59 AM): yes
spies7sophi (12:25:05 AM): no criteria created this way could be used fo god proving
spies7vladimir (12:25:15 AM): ok
spies7vladimir (12:25:48 AM): I think I get it.
spies7sophi (12:26:07 AM): i need an argument for a closed set universe
spies7sophi (12:26:36 AM): i think i should talk to a physisist or astronomer for that actually
spies7vladimir (12:26:51 AM): being the most creationy object doesn't necessarily mean that object is god, but if god exists then he would be the most creationy object.
spies7sophi (12:26:59 AM): yes
spies7vladimir (12:27:34 AM): And that can be extrapolated to any form of measurement
spies7sophi (12:27:48 AM): any way you want to try to find god.
spies7vladimir (12:28:00 AM): I think that works :-)
spies7sophi (12:28:07 AM): well it requires that the god be the best in that measurement
spies7vladimir (12:28:16 AM): right
spies7sophi (12:28:16 AM): so stick to the OOOs
spies7sophi (12:29:00 AM): i guess you could try to do it with 'red'ness, but i don't think monothesitic popular faiths would agree that god is the most red thing out there.
spies7vladimir (12:29:11 AM): maybe if it was a really angry god
spies7sophi (12:29:21 AM): but he's ombnibenevilent
spies7sophi (12:29:23 AM): can't be angry
spies7vladimir (12:29:43 AM): I don't think angry is an antonym of good
spies7sophi (12:29:47 AM): so all that smiting was just love in disguise
spies7sophi (12:30:02 AM): and that giant world destroying flood
spies7sophi (12:30:13 AM): and that levithan that ait people
spies7vladimir (12:30:24 AM): well, smiting is not anger, it's retribution or what have you.
spies7sophi (12:30:52 AM): anyway it's for my philosophy of relgion class which sucks. and the first argument is a total joke.
spies7vladimir (12:30:58 AM): I can be angry that people aren't doing benevolent things and I don't think that disqualifies me from being benevolent myself, for example.
spies7sophi (12:31:14 AM): so i'ma gonna blow it out of the water with my epic logically unprovability theory.
spies7vladimir (12:31:26 AM): haha
spies7vladimir (12:31:34 AM): overachiever
spies7vladimir (12:31:46 AM): I would just do the assignment last minute and turn it in :-)
spies7sophi (12:31:48 AM): this class is a joke!
spies7sophi (12:32:03 AM): it's upper division philosophy but it has no prereqs
spies7sophi (12:32:12 AM): so all these other majors are in there.
spies7vladimir (12:32:35 AM): so basically taht would be the class I would take.
spies7sophi (12:32:39 AM): so they expect us philosophy majors to respect their arguments when they are phrases stupid.
spies7sophi (12:32:58 AM): nope we just rip ep appart and then they get mad.
spies7vladimir (12:33:11 AM): do you measure their 'red'ness?
spies7sophi (12:33:20 AM): "it's my belief! don't diss it" and we like "your belief is illogical!"
spies7vladimir (12:33:36 AM): but those are valid comebacks!
spies7vladimir (12:33:46 AM): this is what I belief so don't lay into it should always be valid!
spies7sophi (12:33:57 AM): nope not valid
spies7vladimir (12:34:03 AM): not valid?
spies7sophi (12:34:20 AM): phrased weird
spies7sophi (12:34:39 AM): a valid argument is one that is phrased in one of the accepted logical forms.
spies7sophi (12:34:56 AM): modus ponents?
spies7vladimir (12:35:02 AM): I only phrase my arguments in unaccepted logical forms
spies7vladimir (12:35:08 AM): and hope people don't notice
spies7sophi (12:35:19 AM): i'm also taking a persuasion class
spies7sophi (12:35:24 AM): it's antiphilosophy
spies7vladimir (12:35:39 AM): I want to take a persuasion class
spies7sophi (12:35:44 AM): because logic don't mean shit when you're persuading people
spies7vladimir (12:35:54 AM): True
spies7sophi (12:36:00 AM): which is sad.
spies7vladimir (12:36:02 AM): That's why I stopped arguing with people about philosophy a long time ago :-)
spies7vladimir (12:36:09 AM): it was way too frustrating
spies7sophi (12:37:01 AM): oh i pulled out some ontological god proof and used it on some religious peoples.
spies7sophi (12:37:03 AM): it was great
spies7sophi (12:37:27 AM): "god is the greatest of all things"
spies7sophi (12:37:30 AM): yes.
spies7sophi (12:38:08 AM): shit
spies7sophi (12:38:11 AM): i forgot it
spies7sophi (12:38:20 AM): tired....
spies7sophi (12:38:48 AM): god is the biggest thing. the biggest thing exists. god exists.
spies7vladimir (12:39:08 AM): sure, if oyu start from the assumption that god exists :-)
spies7sophi (12:39:09 AM): so god is some big ass star
spies7sophi (12:39:43 AM): and they agree with all points until you get to the conclusion
spies7sophi (12:40:06 AM): but it's logically sound! if you assume that god is the biggest thing, then your screwed
spies7sophi (12:40:30 AM): they didn't get it
spies7sophi (12:40:44 AM): but i was with a pack of philosophers and we all laughed at them.
spies7vladimir (12:40:57 AM): meanie!
spies7sophi (12:41:23 AM): non logicals don't get a vote
spies7vladimir (12:41:38 AM): your pack of philosophers is the meanest thing. The meanest thing exists...you exist.
spies7vladimir (12:42:16 AM): QED?
spies7vladimir (12:42:17 AM): ?
spies7vladimir (12:42:17 AM): ...
spies7vladimir (12:42:17 AM): ?
spies7sophi (12:42:21 AM): um
spies7sophi (12:43:10 AM): not nessessarily considering that i have nessessary qualities other than being in a mean group.
spies7sophi (12:43:19 AM): for instance, i also play online mafia.
spies7vladimir (12:43:26 AM): no you don't
spies7vladimir (12:43:29 AM): online mafia doesn't exist
spies7sophi (12:43:40 AM): i also never survive a game.
spies7vladimir (12:43:48 AM): ok, that is true :-)
spies7vladimir (12:43:55 AM): you got me
spies7vladimir (12:43:57 AM): busted
spies7sophi (12:44:32 AM): i'm too outspoken that i either get lynched or NK'd
spies7sophi (12:44:42 AM): i got daykilled once. that was cool
spies7vladimir (12:44:49 AM): I'm outspoken, but I generally manage to survive anyway.
spies7vladimir (12:44:58 AM): I guess I just speak incorrectly enough
spies7vladimir (12:45:05 AM): to be not perceived as a threat
spies7sophi (12:45:16 AM): spartan townie!
spies7vladimir (12:45:33 AM): I don't get lynched, though
spies7sophi (12:45:38 AM): no me.
spies7vladimir (12:45:43 AM): practically never.
spies7sophi (12:45:54 AM): even when you're scum?
spies7vladimir (12:46:36 AM): yeah, even when I'm scum.
spies7sophi (12:46:58 AM): well, you are a better evader than i sir.
spies7sophi (12:47:28 AM): i philosopher rely on logic and facts to persuade people.
spies7vladimir (12:47:40 AM): I rely on heart
spies7sophi (12:47:45 AM): which doesn't work because persuading is crazy and illogical
spies7sophi (12:47:55 AM): but i shall try none the less
spies7sophi (12:47:58 AM): ...
spies7sophi (12:48:00 AM): tomorrow
spies7vladimir (12:48:18 AM): I like to mix logic and facts with interpretation.
spies7sophi (12:48:35 AM): well we shall see how it goes
spies7vladimir (12:48:36 AM): and then attempt to persaude people to believe my interpretation.
spies7vladimir (12:48:48 AM): alright
spies7sophi (12:49:07 AM): don't lynch bianca unless somthing crazy happens.
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spies7vladimir (2:27:49 PM): hello?
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Feel free to drop me your two players and answer even if I'm away. I will reciprocate player depending. 5h and 5m ago Comment
spies7vladimir (7:42:51 PM): aer you scared?
spies7vladimir (7:43:02 PM): scared of the truth, maybe having to handle it?
spies7vladimir (7:58:46 PM): who aer your two people?
spies7sophi (7:59:17 PM): you! and marcus
spies7vladimir (7:59:37 PM): who did you say was more suspicious?
spies7sophi (7:59:37 PM): that's the truth!
spies7sophi (8:00:03 PM): oh i was supposed to write that in my confessional huh
spies7sophi (8:00:11 PM): hummm
spies7sophi (8:00:16 PM): but neither are very suspicious
spies7sophi (8:00:39 PM): i don't suspect marcus because i find it unliley he bussed his buddy, but i've talked with you all kinds and you've never slipped
spies7sophi (8:00:57 PM): it's a rather arbitrrary choice then
spies7sophi (8:01:06 PM): i guess i'll suspect Marcus more.
spies7sophi (8:01:09 PM): i'll go write that.
spies7vladimir (8:01:53 PM): tell me who you honestly put down.
spies7vladimir (8:01:59 PM): Marcus then?
spies7sophi (8:03:41 PM): i puts down marcus
spies7sophi (8:03:56 PM): cos bucketguards are more suspecious than evil clowns.
spies7vladimir (8:04:30 PM): okie dokie
spies7vladimir (8:04:37 PM): My two are Kleyton and Izzie.
spies7vladimir (8:04:42 PM): I put Kleyton as more suspicoius.
spies7sophi (8:05:12 PM): probably a safe bet.
spies7vladimir (9:50:39 PM): I like this activity.
spies7vladimir (9:50:49 PM): even though it's hard to keep track of everything
spies7sophi (9:51:26 PM): i'm doing ok
spies7sophi (9:51:32 PM): more people need to be on
spies7vladimir (9:51:36 PM): yeah
spies7sophi (10:58:27 PM): poke
spies7vladimir (10:58:38 PM): ouch
spies7sophi (10:58:42 PM): have you asked sara?
spies7vladimir (10:58:45 PM): yep :-)
spies7sophi (10:58:45 PM): she's lying to me
spies7vladimir (10:58:51 PM): we're dicsussing it now
spies7sophi (10:58:58 PM): ok i'll wait
spies7vladimir (10:59:10 PM): What did she tell you?
spies7sophi (10:59:34 PM): Vlad > Kathie
spies7sophi (10:59:36 PM): but she's lying
spies7vladimir (11:00:15 PM): no she's not.
spies7vladimir (11:00:43 PM): I'm smarter than Kathie, thus I am more suspicious than Kathie.
spies7vladimir (11:00:46 PM): QED
spies7sophi (11:00:55 PM): wut
spies7vladimir (11:02:12 PM): wut?
spies7vladimir (11:02:14 PM): mm
spies7vladimir (11:02:14 PM): m
spies7sophi (11:05:58 PM): m
spies7sophi (11:06:05 PM): don't you m me!
spies7sophi (11:06:08 PM): that's my thing!
spies7vladimir (11:06:38 PM): I will m who I want when i want
spies7vladimir (11:06:43 PM): oh no you DON'T
spies7vladimir (11:06:58 PM): spies7sara (8:00:30 AM): you make me sad when you are after me
Auto Response from spies7vladimir (8:00:31 AM): Your stance is wrong.
spies7vladimir (11:07:02 PM): I found this funny
spies7sophi (11:07:12 PM): sounds like sara
spies7vladimir (11:07:12 PM): my auto-away message correctly refuted her stance
spies7sophi (11:07:19 PM): lol
spies7vladimir (11:07:26 PM): because i was not after her.
spies7vladimir (11:07:30 PM): so her stance was wrong
spies7sophi (11:09:44 PM): i think she's lying
spies7sophi (11:09:59 PM): she wrote down kathie and is telling us otherwise
spies7sophi (11:10:10 PM): beecause.... i dunno, she's crazy?
spies7vladimir (11:10:11 PM): why?
spies7vladimir (11:10:14 PM): haha
spies7vladimir (11:10:18 PM): I don't think she is lying
spies7sophi (11:10:49 PM): can i get the bit of log where she says her choices?
spies7vladimir (11:10:56 PM): nope
spies7sophi (11:11:02 PM): alas
spies7vladimir (11:11:16 PM): I don't want any more trouble with that stuff
spies7sophi (11:11:30 PM): oh right. sam bitched at you
spies7vladimir (11:11:31 PM): I'm already on house arrest from asking Harold for his bianca chat
spies7vladimir (11:12:16 PM): she basically hesitates for a bit, probably because she is nervous about telling me that she chose me.
spies7vladimir (11:12:24 PM): then says she has me and Kathie and says she chose me.
spies7sophi (11:13:09 PM): in particular, the order of her two names.
spies7vladimir (11:13:23 PM): you and kathie
spies7sophi (11:13:23 PM): if you would
spies7sophi (11:13:27 PM): weird
spies7sophi (11:14:02 PM): if you look at all your other logs, i bet everyone will say the prime suspect first.
spies7vladimir (11:14:19 PM): think so?
spies7sophi (11:15:01 PM): you did when you lied to stone. i didn't tell him though.
spies7vladimir (11:15:28 PM): :-(
spies7vladimir (11:15:47 PM): so far you are right
spies7vladimir (11:15:52 PM): one exception, I've looked at 6.
spies7sophi (11:16:12 PM): and sara told me kathie and vlad
spies7vladimir (11:16:45 PM): ooh, two in a row that go against the grain
spies7vladimir (11:16:51 PM): 5-3
spies7sophi (11:16:57 PM): you've got 8 done?!
spies7vladimir (11:16:57 PM): this could be a close race yet
spies7vladimir (11:17:06 PM): I've got all but 6 done.
spies7vladimir (11:17:10 PM): wooooo
spies7sophi (11:17:12 PM): oh man
spies7vladimir (11:18:05 PM): I'm wario, and Imma gonna win
spies7vladimir (11:18:15 PM): I hope
spies7vladimir (11:18:32 PM): but you can't tell people that I've lied to them.
spies7vladimir (11:19:09 PM): if it's too obvious then there's no point in doing it.
spies7sophi (11:20:17 PM): i do not intend to go around messing up your plan,
spies7sophi (11:20:21 PM): i like your plan
spies7vladimir (11:20:23 PM): thanks
spies7sophi (11:20:38 PM): although i'm not going to do it
spies7sophi (11:20:43 PM): everyone gets honestry
spies7sophi (11:20:48 PM): honesty*
spies7vladimir (11:21:14 PM): you said I was more suspicious again, right?
spies7sophi (11:21:25 PM): um no?
spies7vladimir (11:21:30 PM): Ok good
spies7vladimir (11:21:39 PM): wanted to test that honesty.
spies7vladimir (11:21:45 PM): ;-)
spies7sophi (11:21:45 PM): ...
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Feel free to drop me your two players and answer even if I'm away. I will reciprocate player depending. 9h and 42m ago Comment
spies7vladimir (12:45:01 AM): make me be not lazy
spies7sophi (12:48:50 AM): Motavation!
spies7sophi (12:48:53 AM): Motavation!
spies7sophi (12:48:56 AM): Motavation!
spies7sophi (12:48:59 AM): Yayyyy!!!!
spies7vladimir (12:49:04 AM): spelling motivation wrong isn't doing it for me!
spies7vladimir (12:49:06 AM): :-)
spies7sophi (12:49:10 AM): boooo
spies7vladimir (12:49:32 AM): I have stuff I want to post on the burg.
spies7vladimir (12:49:37 AM): but I am struggling ot motivate myself to do it.
spies7sophi (12:50:43 AM): tell me what it is
spies7sophi (12:50:48 AM): and i'll tell you it's cool
spies7sophi (12:50:59 AM): then you should post it to show me
spies7vladimir (12:54:22 AM): I'm writing a post in the Tracy thread right now.
spies7vladimir (12:54:31 AM): Then I want to write a post on Buthanya, Dylan, and Kathie
spies7vladimir (12:54:34 AM): separate posts.
spies7sophi (12:54:49 AM): that sounds like a lot of work
spies7sophi (12:54:59 AM): oops i mean Hey cool!
spies7vladimir (12:55:29 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (12:55:33 AM): ...yeah...
spies7vladimir (12:55:38 AM): ......yeah......
spies7sophi (12:55:43 AM): waht's the buthyana one say?
spies7vladimir (12:55:51 AM): absolutely nothing
spies7vladimir (12:55:56 AM): it is unwritten
spies7sophi (12:56:00 AM): which one is written?
spies7vladimir (12:56:03 AM): none
spies7vladimir (12:56:11 AM): except for my tracy post is mostly done, just reviewing it
spies7sophi (12:56:25 AM): ok, so what does it say?
spies7vladimir (12:57:16 AM): you can read it
spies7vladimir (12:57:28 AM): I'd rather just have you read it when I pos tit
spies7vladimir (12:57:31 AM): rather than rehash
spies7vladimir (12:59:39 AM): posted
spies7sophi (1:33:44 AM): posted?!
spies7vladimir (1:33:54 AM): a long time ago
spies7sophi (1:34:36 AM): wow there's lilke 4 threads!
spies7sophi (1:34:45 AM): i'm watching hulu
spies7vladimir (1:34:48 AM): yeah, I got my ass in shape
spies7vladimir (1:34:54 AM): got motivated
spies7sophi (1:34:58 AM): good for you
spies7sophi (1:34:59 AM): way to be
spies7sophi (1:36:43 AM): yay! i don't feel like a spy!
spies7vladimir (1:37:13 AM): that's a pretty fake sounding celebration
spies7vladimir (1:37:14 AM): you spy
spies7sophi (1:37:50 AM): i'm not sure i have much to celebrate
spies7sophi (1:38:09 AM): i guess it's cool that you are posting your thoughts on me
spies7sophi (1:38:23 AM): but i already knew them
spies7sophi (1:38:34 AM): so yay! but not unexpected
spies7vladimir (1:38:39 AM): yeah
spies7sophi (1:38:46 AM): but thank you
spies7sophi (1:38:51 AM): how's that?!
spies7vladimir (1:39:02 AM): only a spy would thank someone
spies7sophi (1:39:07 AM): oh
spies7sophi (1:39:11 AM): um er...
spies7vladimir (1:39:20 AM): but thanks anyway
spies7sophi (1:39:20 AM): how DARE you! Shut your spy hole!
spies7vladimir (1:39:22 AM): ;-)
spies7sophi (1:39:38 AM): that's my new favorite line
spies7vladimir (1:39:40 AM): channeling Stone are we?
spies7vladimir (1:39:45 AM): haha, I like it
spies7sophi (1:41:28 AM): maybe i'm just tired
spies7sophi (1:41:46 AM): but this haystack conversation is freaking awesome
spies7vladimir (1:42:38 AM): haha
spies7vladimir (1:42:42 AM): Thanks!
spies7sophi (1:43:03 AM): but one of us is confused over the point
spies7vladimir (1:43:20 AM): I'm guessing that one of us is not me
spies7sophi (1:43:35 AM): i think that how quickly a suspicion changes influences how scummy it is
spies7sophi (1:43:59 AM): so like if i gradually grow less suspicious of someone then finally change my vote, that's ok.
spies7sophi (1:44:13 AM): but if one day i'm like BAM not scummy! then everyone else would look at my suspiciously
spies7vladimir (1:44:22 AM): sure
spies7vladimir (1:44:31 AM): I don't think that relates to the point I am making, though
spies7sophi (1:44:37 AM): and that's why how many logs of her pushing might be important
spies7sophi (1:44:54 AM): cos if all of a sudden she pushes a lynch really hard
spies7sophi (1:44:56 AM): that's something
spies7sophi (1:45:43 AM): the pushing its self isn't what is scummy, but how quickly she starts to do it.
spies7vladimir (1:45:46 AM): but do you define hard as how much she believes it or how widespread she makes it or what?
spies7sophi (1:46:08 AM): um
spies7vladimir (1:46:18 AM): eh, I don't know.
spies7vladimir (1:46:23 AM): If she starts pushing it privately
spies7vladimir (1:46:29 AM): then why not push it to everyone privately?
spies7sophi (1:47:12 AM): but if she talked to someone, then she tried a push, and got convinced while doing it, then a while later tried some more it shows a growing into the idea
spies7sophi (1:47:44 AM): and while that could be forged by scum, they could also screw up and just swap outright
spies7sophi (1:48:30 AM): someone who creates firm beliefs out of nowhere is more likely scum.
spies7vladimir (1:48:37 AM): yes, i agree
spies7sophi (1:48:39 AM): someone who gradually changes their views is more likely town.
spies7sophi (1:48:59 AM): so i was hoping to see in the logs one of these two things
spies7sophi (1:49:06 AM): either by what they say or when they were recorded
spies7vladimir (1:49:18 AM): I don't know about the gradual thing, though
spies7vladimir (1:49:37 AM): like if someone claims a role that I know can't be true, I'm going to swap pretty damn fast.
spies7sophi (1:49:51 AM): well yeah, but that isn't out of the blue
spies7sophi (1:49:59 AM): it's a directe reaction from something we can all see
spies7vladimir (1:50:07 AM): Tracy's swap on marcus
spies7vladimir (1:50:15 AM): to my understanding was a direct result of his actions in that chat
spies7vladimir (1:50:21 AM): not just a random swap
spies7sophi (1:51:20 AM): why didn't the illuminati save the group chats?
spies7sophi (1:51:22 AM): it's silly
spies7vladimir (1:51:38 AM): you know what's silly? STring
spies7vladimir (1:51:47 AM): I didn't have auto-logging on.
spies7vladimir (1:51:51 AM): I bet Tracy has those chats
spies7vladimir (1:51:58 AM): I need to ask her.
spies7sophi (1:52:17 AM): it's so weird asking people for logs to incriminate them with
spies7sophi (1:52:21 AM): i did it to stone also
spies7vladimir (1:52:31 AM): in this case it's me asking for a log that might unincriminate
spies7vladimir (1:52:36 AM): but yeah
spies7vladimir (1:52:51 AM): "hey can you PM me that chat we had that i'm going to use to call you a spy with?"
spies7vladimir (1:52:59 AM): a bit weird
spies7sophi (1:53:30 AM): anyway that's my thinking about why the tracy convincing people logs might be useful.
spies7sophi (1:53:38 AM): they COULD show something like that.
spies7sophi (1:54:11 AM): but it's a small point. the thread got some love which is always nice.
spies7vladimir (1:54:26 AM): heh
spies7vladimir (1:54:34 AM): nobody is giving any threads any love.
spies7vladimir (1:54:46 AM): Except Cassidy trying to concoct ways to bring me down.
spies7sophi (1:56:39 AM): it's weird that we have this late night thing going
spies7sophi (1:56:57 AM): you end up being the only person i talk to often.
spies7sophi (1:57:12 AM): so on to the next one then.
spies7vladimir (1:57:12 AM): yeah, no kidding
spies7vladimir (1:57:20 AM): I stay up really late
spies7sophi (1:57:33 AM): i don't think i brought much to the harold wagon
spies7vladimir (1:57:54 AM): not in terms of ideas, no
spies7sophi (1:58:15 AM): so buth says i brought a lot of evidence, and caused the lynch, but that's not true.
spies7sophi (1:58:33 AM): i expect harold would have gotten lynched without me being here.
spies7sophi (1:59:01 AM): i wrote his summary first because everyone was chattering about him.
spies7vladimir (1:59:25 AM): like squirrels
spies7sophi (2:00:17 AM): i assume the quotes you put there are in chronological order?
spies7vladimir (2:00:25 AM): I'm not sure the point is whether or not you had a hand in Harold, but that Buthayna believes it and still wants to press on anyway.
spies7vladimir (2:00:31 AM): time stamps
spies7sophi (2:00:31 AM): i wish time stamps included dates
spies7vladimir (2:00:37 AM): it's all from the same chat
spies7sophi (2:00:59 AM): ah
spies7sophi (2:01:21 AM): you should post the chat if it's public to keep people from bitching about context
spies7vladimir (2:01:28 AM): it's not
spies7vladimir (2:01:30 AM): it's a private chat
spies7sophi (2:01:38 AM): well fine then
spies7vladimir (2:01:43 AM): I don't think anyone will bitch about context, except for you :-)
spies7sophi (2:02:00 AM): hey you never know when context might become importnat
spies7vladimir (2:02:05 AM): haha
spies7sophi (2:02:07 AM): MORE INFORMATION
spies7vladimir (2:02:10 AM): haha
spies7vladimir (2:02:18 AM): more information isn't better though
spies7vladimir (2:02:21 AM): not always
spies7sophi (2:02:43 AM): i guess i just like it. i like varifying facts and organizing stuff
spies7sophi (2:02:53 AM): which is weird because i don't organize my laundry
spies7vladimir (2:03:03 AM): I prefer going on wild goose chases with completely unverified conjecture.
spies7vladimir (2:03:09 AM): and being generally disorganized.
spies7sophi (2:03:28 AM): well, i got a clean basket and a dirty basket
spies7sophi (2:03:32 AM): that's organized.
spies7vladimir (2:03:39 AM): same
spies7sophi (2:03:43 AM): dressers are for wusses
spies7vladimir (2:03:44 AM): that's how I orgainze
spies7vladimir (2:03:48 AM): right on.
spies7vladimir (2:03:55 AM): Basked #1 and Basket #2
spies7vladimir (2:04:08 AM): the only thing I keep organzied is my computer.
spies7vladimir (2:04:19 AM): like the location of files on my computer, etc.
spies7vladimir (2:04:30 AM): I keep things neatly in folders, and it makes sense.
spies7sophi (2:04:31 AM): vista is so bad for that
spies7sophi (2:04:48 AM): like if you install a program to not where it says, it might just not work
spies7vladimir (2:05:01 AM): I'm glad I don't use vista
spies7vladimir (2:05:04 AM): XP is good
spies7sophi (2:05:17 AM): free vista turned out to be a bad deal.
spies7vladimir (2:05:21 AM): Il'l stick with XP until it's no longer viable, unless Windows 7 is really good.
spies7vladimir (2:06:42 AM): Yeah, a lot of the work I do for my job, I will read stuff where people are like "If you have vista, you have to jump through these 90 hoops to accomplish this, but if you have XP you just follow these simple steps"
spies7sophi (2:06:52 AM): whoah with this dylan post
spies7sophi (2:07:02 AM): i'm torn though
spies7vladimir (2:07:07 AM): problem?
spies7sophi (2:07:29 AM): it's a good post! you know what a strawman fallacy is
spies7sophi (2:07:36 AM): it's right
spies7vladimir (2:07:48 AM): I've been strawmanned enough times.
spies7vladimir (2:07:50 AM): to know
spies7vladimir (2:08:01 AM): the beauty of mafia
spies7sophi (2:08:27 AM): everyone picks their own little reason to vote though
spies7vladimir (2:08:35 AM): yes, I know
spies7sophi (2:08:39 AM): because we think them bandwagoning if they just say "yeah that"
spies7vladimir (2:08:47 AM): however
spies7vladimir (2:09:08 AM): if you are considering voting bob, are you not going to consider all the evidence against bob?
spies7vladimir (2:09:23 AM): or just find a few things on your own and ignore everyone else's points?
spies7sophi (2:09:51 AM): but we almost require that people bring new evidence when they start voting for a lynch
spies7sophi (2:10:07 AM): under fear of bandwagoning claims
spies7sophi (2:10:18 AM): so it's sort of setting people up for this exact fallacy
spies7vladimir (2:10:29 AM): not really
spies7vladimir (2:10:54 AM): becuase generally people will "agree with the evidence, but then give their own little spin or twist or add something extra" to avoid being labeled a bandwagoner.
spies7vladimir (2:11:16 AM): not present a completely different case altogether whilst simulatenously ignoring the other cases.
spies7sophi (2:11:29 AM): and you think dylan did this?
spies7sophi (2:11:49 AM): i do remember that he has at least some different reasons
spies7vladimir (2:11:51 AM): I know he did this...it's just a matter of whether it's malicious or not.
spies7sophi (2:12:25 AM): one was that harold never presented reasoning for some previous vote
spies7vladimir (2:12:38 AM): didn't give the STone case
spies7sophi (2:12:41 AM): which he gave to me which i gave to dylan who lost it.
spies7vladimir (2:12:47 AM): right
spies7sophi (2:12:49 AM): "lost it"
spies7vladimir (2:13:16 AM): the other was his actions on AIM, which Dylan suggested could either be Spy avoiding AIM or citizen who doesn't care and hasn't gotten into the game.
spies7sophi (2:13:33 AM): that case was weak
spies7vladimir (2:13:34 AM): I believe those were the two reasons he had.
spies7sophi (2:13:50 AM): yeah ok. i can see where you're coming from
spies7sophi (2:14:37 AM): over the day of the lynch though, i watched dylan resolve these in turn
spies7sophi (2:14:54 AM): it took him hours to get though them all and he finally unvoted
spies7sophi (2:15:23 AM): and i like the suspiciousn slowly changing tell.
spies7vladimir (2:16:01 AM): yeah, that would be a point in favor of him legitimately believing his stances.
spies7vladimir (2:16:21 AM): the spending time resolving them in turn...not necessarily the suspicion slowly changing.
spies7sophi (2:16:51 AM): i don't think i have logs for that though. he didn't talk with me much.
spies7sophi (2:17:07 AM): if it happaned in group chat, i think i posted that one already
spies7sophi (2:17:12 AM): would require log digging though
spies7vladimir (2:17:24 AM): no log digging is going to occur for me tonight
spies7sophi (2:17:27 AM): i'll avoid doing that until it's important to do so
spies7vladimir (2:17:30 AM): yeah
spies7sophi (2:18:16 AM): i'll wait to get dylans response before bringing up that point.
spies7sophi (2:18:42 AM): it's important to get a canded response
spies7vladimir (2:18:50 AM): definitely
spies7vladimir (2:19:06 AM): I like to let people respond in their own defense before jumping in.
spies7sophi (2:19:34 AM): but i'm interested and want to talk about it!
spies7vladimir (2:19:34 AM): if you defend a spy in that manner, you can oftentimes create an out for them they didn't think of.
spies7sophi (2:19:52 AM): aim is nice. i'm starting to like it.
spies7sophi (2:20:01 AM): well not aim. aim sucks.
spies7vladimir (2:20:06 AM): yeah, AIM sucks
spies7sophi (2:20:06 AM): gchat!
spies7vladimir (2:20:11 AM): the AIM aspect of the game is what you mean?
spies7vladimir (2:20:40 AM): or not?
spies7sophi (2:20:44 AM): yeah yeah
spies7sophi (2:21:04 AM): i don't know why though
spies7sophi (2:21:31 AM): that i can be more informal about stuff, i don't have to communicate by making well written posts.
spies7vladimir (2:21:42 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (2:22:00 AM): you end up entering in more text and more information, but it's not as much of a hassle
spies7vladimir (2:22:12 AM): you don't have to organize it and present it and proofrread it and stuff
spies7sophi (2:22:32 AM): well, until you make a summary thread.
spies7sophi (2:22:41 AM): which involves massive log reading.
spies7vladimir (2:22:47 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (2:22:50 AM): I avoid reading logs
spies7vladimir (2:22:51 AM): period
spies7vladimir (2:23:01 AM): I remember what I want to know and control F for it
spies7sophi (2:23:10 AM): i figured out how to do it though. the stone and tracy ones i made other people read the logs.
spies7sophi (2:24:03 AM): so long as my helper isn't trying to sabaoge me it's all good.
spies7sophi (2:24:29 AM): and that'd be hard i think
spies7vladimir (2:24:33 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (2:24:35 AM): that would be
spies7vladimir (2:24:46 AM): Although I sabotaged the Stone summory
spies7sophi (2:24:53 AM): lol
spies7sophi (2:26:21 AM): well i congradulate you on a lot of writing.
spies7sophi (2:26:22 AM): good job
spies7sophi (2:26:31 AM): pro-town
spies7sophi (2:27:18 AM): what happened to the imprisionment? the exile is in 1.5 days
spies7vladimir (2:27:45 AM): Zack
spies7sophi (2:27:53 AM): oh that's right!
spies7sophi (2:28:01 AM): but he's not marked off on the header
spies7sophi (2:28:17 AM): i never met the guy
spies7vladimir (2:28:18 AM): The header doesn't get updated
spies7vladimir (2:28:29 AM): it's always a few episodes behind
spies7vladimir (2:28:38 AM): just the way Sam does it.
spies7vladimir (2:28:46 AM): I never had a private chat with him.
spies7sophi (2:28:50 AM): i wonder if zack thought anything
spies7vladimir (2:28:57 AM): We argued a bit on the forums and in public chat
spies7vladimir (2:29:07 AM): no, he had no thoughts about anything ever
spies7vladimir (2:29:14 AM): he was thoughtless
spies7vladimir (2:29:28 AM): I honestly didn't like him much.
spies7sophi (2:29:29 AM): which makes him a weird NK i think
spies7vladimir (2:29:34 AM): nah, I'm kidding
spies7vladimir (2:29:39 AM): he had thoughts
spies7vladimir (2:29:47 AM): egotistical "you all suck so much" kind of thoughts
spies7vladimir (2:29:51 AM): but he had them
spies7sophi (2:30:13 AM): it's weird that all our awesome people don't die
spies7vladimir (2:30:23 AM): Henry is dead
spies7vladimir (2:30:27 AM): Henry was so awesome
spies7sophi (2:30:27 AM): was he awesome?
spies7vladimir (2:30:29 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (2:30:41 AM): people disliked him and didn't understand his roleplay
spies7vladimir (2:30:44 AM): but he was fantastic
spies7vladimir (2:31:03 AM): I'm fine with Alex/Zack though.
spies7sophi (2:31:15 AM): NKs seem to target illuminati
spies7vladimir (2:31:21 AM): all 3 so far, yes
spies7vladimir (2:31:24 AM): all 3 male as well
spies7vladimir (2:31:33 AM): I think if the trend continues me or Hank would be next.
spies7sophi (2:31:36 AM): leading me to believe that more of the spies started on the illuminati team
spies7vladimir (2:32:08 AM): it leads me to believe that there is stil a spy on the other team...at least 1.
spies7vladimir (2:32:15 AM): and that spy is currently not very suspected.
spies7sophi (2:32:18 AM): because the 'threatening' people on mason side survive but the illumanti get NK'd
spies7vladimir (2:32:19 AM): or spies
spies7vladimir (2:32:42 AM): Because if the game continues like this...all of the illuminati will be dead
spies7vladimir (2:32:49 AM): and we will be left with a bunch of seemingly cit Freemasons
spies7sophi (2:32:57 AM): who brick wall
spies7vladimir (2:33:01 AM): yes
spies7sophi (2:33:06 AM): it's terrable
spies7vladimir (2:33:14 AM): haha
spies7vladimir (2:33:22 AM): I'm so going to use that as a pun sometime
spies7vladimir (2:33:23 AM): thank you
spies7vladimir (2:33:42 AM): terrible...but if someone is like defacing the earth I will say "that's "terra"ble
spies7sophi (2:34:06 AM): yeah, i guess it does lead there being an unsuspected mason spy
spies7vladimir (2:34:35 AM): yeah, at least one
spies7sophi (2:34:37 AM): unless you play space RPGs, i don't think you'll get a chance to call something terrable
spies7vladimir (2:34:56 AM): That marine and medic rush was terranble
spies7vladimir (2:35:00 AM): meh
spies7sophi (2:35:03 AM): mah
spies7vladimir (2:35:10 AM): where are you starcraft 2?
spies7vladimir (2:35:12 AM): anyway
spies7sophi (2:35:21 AM): who uses medics in a rush anyway
spies7vladimir (2:35:30 AM): well, delayed
spies7vladimir (2:35:48 AM): so not really a rush
spies7sophi (2:36:01 AM): well that's kinda bad because that means a useful mason is actually a spy
spies7vladimir (2:36:01 AM): but marines/medics can be a good strategy
spies7vladimir (2:36:11 AM): Here's what owrries me
spies7sophi (2:36:18 AM): it's cassidy
spies7vladimir (2:36:29 AM): why?
spies7sophi (2:36:43 AM): well because she was all over and active ep 1
spies7sophi (2:36:52 AM): then she just clammed up for a while
spies7sophi (2:37:00 AM): now she's back on the prowl again.
spies7sophi (2:37:15 AM): and each time she's active, masons go after a townie
spies7sophi (2:37:17 AM): i dunno
spies7sophi (2:37:23 AM): she's fishy i think
spies7vladimir (2:37:34 AM): you might be right. I don't know.
spies7sophi (2:37:35 AM): she faked arguments with jaiden
spies7sophi (2:37:57 AM): i like that reason better
spies7sophi (2:38:06 AM): i mean it makes sense and i like her, but eehehhhh
spies7sophi (2:38:30 AM): she hasn't been protown enough
spies7sophi (2:38:37 AM): like izzie and julia and bianca
spies7vladimir (2:38:58 AM): Yeah. I feel worse about her than those 3.
spies7sophi (2:39:25 AM): ha
spies7sophi (2:39:39 AM): i was talking about the piggy when talking to tracy
spies7sophi (2:39:44 AM): she thought i was insulting her
spies7sophi (2:40:00 AM): it was funny
spies7vladimir (2:40:05 AM): haha
spies7vladimir (2:40:10 AM): she thought you were calling her fat?
spies7sophi (2:40:16 AM): yeah or soemthing
spies7sophi (2:40:31 AM): i might have to do it on purpose in the future.
spies7sophi (2:41:22 AM): might buthayna be the mason spy?
spies7vladimir (2:41:23 AM): Here is what worries me...that right now the spies seem to be playing to throw away everyone on the Illuminati...this cuold suggest more than 1 spy on the freemasons, and that would be a big problem.
spies7vladimir (2:41:44 AM): Otherwise, why would the spies sac all the Illuminati if it were for only 1 spy?
spies7sophi (2:42:23 AM): no they targeting illuminati because there were more initial illumianti spies
spies7sophi (2:42:32 AM): and so it was more threatening over there
spies7sophi (2:43:10 AM): like whoever alex could throw a suspicioun in the dark and hit a spy
spies7sophi (2:43:32 AM): it's a lot scarier than the masons who are busy lynching a townie
spies7vladimir (2:43:44 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (2:43:50 AM): that could be true
spies7vladimir (2:44:08 AM): doesn't really explain the Zack one though...
spies7sophi (2:44:25 AM): was he bonafied?
spies7vladimir (2:44:30 AM): Henry either for that matter..they were both ex-illuminati
spies7vladimir (2:44:36 AM): at the time of death
spies7vladimir (2:44:46 AM): Zack wason both spy exiles.
spies7sophi (2:46:30 AM): so a cleared townie who's death won't point to a scum isn't a bad NK.
spies7sophi (2:46:42 AM): and they are unlikely to be protected
spies7vladimir (2:47:27 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (2:47:54 AM): I want to believe the conspiracy theories about all the illumiatni being cleansed and then the freemasons going on...
spies7vladimir (2:48:05 AM): so you need to stop shutting that down.
spies7sophi (2:48:16 AM): ok fine
spies7vladimir (2:48:19 AM): :-)
spies7sophi (2:48:52 AM): the lurk mentality of the masons indicates that there are scum over there.
spies7sophi (2:48:59 AM): people who don't try to get it going are scummy
spies7vladimir (2:49:18 AM): yep
spies7vladimir (2:49:31 AM): whoever are spies over there are probably basking in the nothingness taking place.
spies7sophi (2:50:17 AM): which might be caused by having like 3 spies over there
spies7vladimir (2:50:41 AM): I really hope not
spies7sophi (2:50:41 AM): i mean, why would they be active when they can lurk
spies7vladimir (2:50:45 AM): that would suck a lot
spies7sophi (2:51:02 AM): oh look! lurking screwing the town!
spies7sophi (2:51:04 AM): oh noes!
spies7vladimir (2:51:07 AM): haha
spies7vladimir (2:51:12 AM): I was just about to comment on that
spies7vladimir (2:51:33 AM): this is like a Sophi dream come true. Lurkers causing problems that need to be extirmated.
spies7sophi (2:51:41 AM): cos i'm over here! they know i can't directly come gank them
spies7sophi (2:51:54 AM): rrrrrr
spies7sophi (2:54:57 AM): oh sara...
spies7sophi (2:55:13 AM): i just put her log in my confessional
spies7vladimir (2:55:26 AM): I'm still laughing about my away message owning her.
spies7vladimir (2:55:43 AM): I plan on posting my chat with her in my confessional as well because it was hilarious
spies7sophi (2:55:52 AM): it's genuine though
spies7vladimir (2:55:56 AM): ok, so she is calling me a smart spy
spies7vladimir (2:56:10 AM): I ask her "if all the spies are smart, then why are they losing so badly"
spies7vladimir (2:56:18 AM): her response is that they sacrificed their own
spies7vladimir (2:56:30 AM): so then I ask her why didn't I sacrifce them, if I'm a smart spy
spies7vladimir (2:56:47 AM): and her response to that was that "I have a heart" and thus didn't.
spies7sophi (2:56:56 AM): lol
spies7vladimir (2:57:12 AM): So I'm the smart spy who is simulteanously brought down by my heart for the other spies.
spies7sophi (2:57:28 AM): it's possible though
spies7vladimir (2:57:41 AM): no, it's not.
spies7sophi (2:57:44 AM): this entire thing is designed to make julia look town.
spies7vladimir (2:57:55 AM): maybe that
spies7vladimir (2:58:04 AM): but I didn't really score any town points off of either of those lynches
spies7vladimir (2:58:11 AM): so I fucked up big time if I'm a spy.
spies7sophi (2:58:22 AM): see but julia
spies7sophi (2:58:40 AM): she'll breeze though the rest of this game maybe
spies7vladimir (2:58:50 AM): yeah
spies7vladimir (2:59:03 AM): late game she will come under questioning if she is still around.
spies7sophi (2:59:09 AM): all because she's 3 for 3 and got jailed
spies7sophi (2:59:25 AM): notice she didn't get NK'd
spies7vladimir (2:59:35 AM): yeah
spies7sophi (2:59:38 AM): it's all coming together!
spies7vladimir (2:59:41 AM): haha
spies7vladimir (2:59:47 AM): that doesn't erally mean anything at this stage
spies7vladimir (3:00:07 AM): nor should it mean much late game. In spies 6, epople wanted to exile two players for not gettig imprisoned ever, and they were both citizens.
spies7vladimir (3:00:43 AM): one of them had started and led two spy exiles early on.
spies7vladimir (3:00:52 AM): the other had a town power role and never died.
spies7sophi (3:01:16 AM): i don't like the power roles this game
spies7sophi (3:01:20 AM): all they do is hose us
spies7sophi (3:01:27 AM): where's the pro-town ones?!
spies7vladimir (3:01:43 AM): Irulan
spies7sophi (3:01:47 AM): eh maybe
spies7vladimir (3:01:48 AM): maybe Mr. Bucket
spies7sophi (3:01:52 AM): no way
spies7sophi (3:02:10 AM): i don't think a medic is that great.
spies7sophi (3:02:31 AM): er a doctor
spies7vladimir (3:02:45 AM): well
spies7sophi (3:02:50 AM): i want a vigillante
spies7vladimir (3:02:52 AM): this is the first time we have seen the cover up.
spies7vladimir (3:03:08 AM): so my guess is it's a 1-time shot or a limted use role.
spies7sophi (3:03:10 AM): daykill some fools
spies7vladimir (3:03:31 AM): Oh believe me, I want to be a vigilante every time I'm town in any game.
spies7vladimir (3:03:45 AM): In all my time playing mafia, I have never once had that role.
spies7sophi (3:03:54 AM): me neither
spies7sophi (3:04:13 AM): but i was in a game where the doctor claimed early on and got daykilled right there.
spies7vladimir (3:04:20 AM): The best I had was a role called the Skitzo.
spies7sophi (3:04:21 AM): turned out to really be the doc which sucked.