Kleyton
Kleyton
Kleyton Stark, El Rey Del Norte
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Post by Kleyton on Jan 28, 2010 23:10:02 GMT -5
get on AIM STAT or i'm voting you next exile.
you have a metric shit ton of explaining to do.
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Vladimir
Vladimir
Doesn't need the shovel, but will still use it.
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Post by Vladimir on Jan 31, 2010 3:19:29 GMT -5
Well, the bad news is the Metric shit ton is more than an English shit ton. You have Kleyton to blame for selecting the metric system in this scenario.
Anyway, here is something I would like you to address:
spies7buthayna (6:40:22 PM): Yes, I agree as well. I feel that the revelation of Harold to be a spy would help me to determine my own feelings towards Sophi, for example. However, now I am troubled and unsure about my feelings toward her.
spies7vladimir (6:40:41 PM): What changed?
spies7vladimir (6:40:52 PM): wasn't she your top suspect last episode?
spies7buthayna (6:42:19 PM): Yes, she was. However, she also campaigned against Harold, or at least brought a lot of evidence against him. I feel that if I knew for sure that Harold was indeed a spy it would change my feelings towards Sophi, since she got the discussion going to exile him.
spies7buthayna (6:53:34 PM): Well, I suppose I should retract my statement and say I suspect her a little? But do I suspect her as much as i do Sophi? God no. My main suspect at the moment is Sophi and no one really comes close to her.
spies7vladimir (7:08:38 PM): so do you plan on voting her then?
spies7buthayna (7:09:05 PM): Yes. At this point I am going to vote for Sophi.
I am under the impression that you believe Harold is going to be a spy (I don't know if you directly said that to me, but others have mentioned that is your stance). However if Harold is a spy, that would trigger your fears/doubt on Sophi, but yet you still want Sophi exiled. I'm not sure how that all plays together.
So my question is: Can you clarify your stance on Harold and Sophi and how the two of them relate to each other?
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Post by Buthayna on Jan 31, 2010 15:21:36 GMT -5
Yes. Here is my stance on Harold and Sophi.
After the team switch, Sophi was my biggest suspect, based mainly on her actions during the first round. I felt, like Bianca, that her insistance of voting for Daria even when both Bianca and Izzy pointed out that this was a bad idea seemed very suspicious. Furthermore to be perfectly honest I had not read much about the Tracy/Harold/Stone drama that unfolded during the first two rounds. I realize now that it was idiotic of me, but this is my first Mafia game. I was more focused on the events unfolding on my own team than on the events on Illuminati, and thus Sophi was higher on my list of Spies than anyone on the Illuminati team.
However, on this new team I became aware of three things right off the bat. The first was that many people that I feel are citizens such as Bianca, Julia, Vladimir, and Hank suspected Harold to be a spy. The second was that many people that I felt were suspicious were on my team, while people I thought were citizizens were now on the Freemason team. The third, and more important, thing was that the Illuminati members seemed perfectly fine with continuing their chaos voting pattern, saving their decisions until the last minute and risking split votes again.
With this in mind, I felt it was best to vote for Harold to avoid the risk of spies taking advantage of a split vote. Even though Sophi was my main suspect, I voted for Harold to make sure the people I thought were citizens had a firm majority.
However, Harold's cover-up of his allignment has puzzled me a little. As I had mentioned to both Vladimir and Hank, one of my theories on Sophi was that she is a Traitor. I read that in last season there was a Traitor, a citizen who is secretly working with the spies. In my mind, it would be good for a Traitor to target lurkers in the beginning of the game, as it would hinder the other citizens from discovering information about the spies.
However, if Harold is indeed revealed to be a spy, this would destroy my theory on Sophi, as I believe she helped set the ball roling to target him.
But I do still consider the other possibility that Sophi could be a spy. I even mentioned this to you, Vladimir, although you seemed have forgotten to post it.
[17:40] Vladimir: wasn't she your top suspect last episode?
[17:42] spies7buthayna: Yes, she was. However, she also campaigned against Harold, or at least brought a lot of evidence against him. I feel that if I knew for sure that Harold was indeed a spy it would change my feelings towards Sophi, since she got the discussion going to exile him.
[17:42] Vladimir: That's the exact opposite of Bianca's stance on Sophi.
[17:43] spies7buthayna: I know, I read that as well.
[17:43] Vladimir: I take it you disagree with Bianca, then?
[17:43] spies7buthayna: I feel that so much discussion would not have been brought to a head if Sophi had not got the ball rolling against Harold.
[17:43] spies7buthayna: However, I suppose Sophi could always be turning against her fellow spy to save herself.
Because of this, I still suspect Sophi and am planning on voting for her because I feel that there is a possibility that she could be a spy.
Also, Vladimir, I would like to address something to you. I do not like how you posted this in what I feel is an attempt to make me look suspicious. I have always told everyone I would answer their any questions asked of me honestly and to the best of my ability. I even told you this in the conversation that we had where you retrieved this information:
[18:12] Vladimir: which leaves yourself, Dylan, and Kathie.
[18:12] Vladimir: and me of course. I guess I can self vote!
[18:13] spies7buthayna: Please do not self-vote. *laughs*. That would be very lame of you.
[18:13] Vladimir: I know
[18:13] Vladimir: I can promise you I will never self-vote
[18:14] spies7buthayna: Okay. Why, then, do you not have strong feelings one way or the other toward myself? And if there is something that you need explaining in my actions, I will try my best to explain it.
I do not like being framed in a way that looks like I was withholding information from you, which you did not even ask me about. I do not mind answering and stating my opinion publicly, buy in the future I would appreciate it you did not twist my conversations in such a way. I am not accusing you of being a spy, as I have told you more than once I believe you to be a citizen. However, I do feel that you did not present information against me accurately.
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Vladimir
Vladimir
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Post by Vladimir on Jan 31, 2010 17:59:09 GMT -5
I don't have time, but I didn't try to post this in a way to make you look suspicious at all. I just wanted clarification. I'll come back to this later.
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Vladimir
Vladimir
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Post by Vladimir on Feb 1, 2010 0:42:39 GMT -5
I have no clue how you get the idea that I was accusing you or even suggesting that you were withholding information from me? Nowhere in my initial post is that idea ever suggested or the implication ever made. Maybe your idea is that since it was posted on the burg it is an accusation and not a question? Can we not ask questions on the burg? It is part of the game just as much as AIM. Hell, look at my Kathie thread...the entire thread is two questions. Am I suggesting that she is withholding information from me? No, I'm just asking for information, which is exactly what I am doing here.
You did mention this:
[17:43] spies7buthayna: However, I suppose Sophi could always be turning against her fellow spy to save herself.
However, from reading that chat it is clear that this is a secondary opinion and something you believe less than your main opinion, which is that Sophi/Harold don't make sense together.
I still don't understand why you want to vote Sophi if you think Harold will be a spy, and if Harold being a spy will make her less suspicious. If you knew right now that Harold was a spy, would you vote Sophi still?
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Post by Buthayna on Feb 1, 2010 1:18:24 GMT -5
I will post this to clear up to all, although we discussed most of it in chat.
The reason that I felt that you were suggesting that I was withholding information is that you were basing information off a conversation that we had had. I had not known at the time that you had not thought to ask me during the conversation, and assumed that you simply withheld asking me about the connection between Sophi and Harold just so you could ask me it in the Burgs.
As for asking questions in the Burg, I never said that you could not ask me questions in the Burg. I even said in my original post that I am fine with stating my opinion and answers publicly. I have nothing to hide. The reason that I was defensive about it was because I jumped to the conclusion that you were twisting my words around.
Yes, my theory of Sophi being a spy is a secondary opinion compared to my original theory of Sophi being a Traitor. But regardless of whether or not Harold is a spy or not, my original suspicion has always been from the Daria vote, as I stated in my original post. Her voting for Daria is suspicious, in my opinion.
However, based on the events of tonight and what I believe to be Tracy false claiming, I feel that I have no choice but to vote for her tonight. Tracy will be my vote.
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Hank
Hank
My ax thirsts for spy blood! Spies5Xavier
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Post by Hank on Feb 7, 2010 13:27:01 GMT -5
Alright, I really did wish to talk with Buthayna before posting this, however I will be gone for pretty much the entire day today until possibly late night and will be on very sporadically tomorrow. So I want for ample time for discussion, questions, and refutations. So let's get to it.
The following is a case on Buthayna and things which have begun to stand out to me as far as suspicious behaviors. Buthayna has been an incredibly tough read for me. Even right now, midway through Episode 5, I do not have a clear read of where her allegiance may lie. That concerns me. Most people I could give you a lean one way or another I think, but for her this is not the case. So here are some of the things which I have noticed over time and what has really stood out to me.
1. I don't have much in the way of direct quotes or contradictions in that regard. I think Buthayna is incredibly carefull about everything she says and does. It all seems rather calculated. Each of her votes have been slipped in without ever raising many eyebrows. Her Jim Bob vote happened quitely for the most part and was middle of the pack. Regarding Adra, she swayed back and forth between Daria and Adra and was ultimately swayed to vote Adra by Cassidy and Bianca. Now some make argue that this is a point in her favor that her later change to Adra makes her more cit because of how close the votes ended up being. But how many people could really be sure that Daria was going to get penalty votes like that? I still maintain that Adra was bussed by her buddies. Then there is the vote on Harold.
This one probably worries me the most. She explains that her reason for voting Harold has a lot to do with not wanting to split votes so greatly as for the final outcome to be swayed in favor of the spies. Honestly though, I think it was realized that there would be enough votes on Harold that there was no threat of that happening. As for Tracy, everyone including Judge Sam voted for her and I think was rightfully justified in doing so all things considered, so nothing there.
2. Another thing I have noticed is that Buthayna never really goes after anyone. I have yet to see any evidence of her strongly persuing a suspect of hers. 99% of her posts within the burg seem to fall into one of three categories. 1. Posting group chats. 2. Answering questions posed to her or the entire group. 3. Talking about her voting reasons.
There is never any questioning by her. Adding evidence to a case. Defending of other players. The same seems to occur within chats. Once the debate of suspects gets started, Buthayna has very little to say. (Note: I did not read into the Free Mason Chats heavily, so if someone knows something to the contrary of this, please point it out.) If anything is added, it tends to be rather nuetral in nature.
As for direct comments that are cause for concern. I don't have many to be honest. In reading through some past chats, one thing did stand out to me.
This was prior to the first exile. The illuminati had just been told by Marcus about his role.
Pulled the above out because Buthayna's immediate reaction was to call Marcus's role a lie. Still says best vote may be for Perry. Maybe it is not a terribly suspicious response, but I still wanted to point that out.
So, please leave your comments or questions. Throw your fruit or kittens if you so desire. Chop chop.
Edit: Just want to say that this is not an indication of my final vote, but it is one I am considering.
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Dylan
Dylan
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Post by Dylan on Feb 7, 2010 13:59:59 GMT -5
^ I looked more into the Adrasteia vote. I said that she never publicly gave a reason other than JB influencing her (which is fare), but aslo she agreed with Bianca's post, Cassidy's reasons and she had private IMs with Adra. Her public reasons are all about HER being afraid to vote for her.
Isolated, the Adra vote is not that suspect - but when you look at the Harold reason, its all about BUTHAYNA and not Harold.
I would like Buthayna to elaborate more on why Adrasteia was her vote, and why Harold was her #2 in round 3. And also - why she once supported a Daria lynch, so understands the mentality behind LAL yet suspected Sophi over LAL.
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Post by Buthayna on Feb 8, 2010 1:25:03 GMT -5
Hello everyone.
I would first like to apologize to everyone, including the host, for my absence and inactiveness during the last two weeks. As I have mentioned vaguely to some people, I have taken on some new responsibilities at the animal shelter. In more detail, this involves getting up at 5 am for my job, and returning home around 6 pm at night. This gives me a 3-4 hour window at home before I need to be in bed at 10 pm, and some of my time is spent preparing for work the next day. Some days I choose not go go online because I do not have the desire to, and would rather just relax and watch television. However, I do know that it is my own choice to put the amount of effort into the game that I am putting in, and for that I apologize to you all. When i signed up to play, I did not know that my new job responsibilities would conflict with the amount of time I have had to put in this game. If I had I would not have signed up.
I see, based on the preceding posts, that I am being accused of being a spy for my inactivity and some other factors. I will attempt to explain myself and hopefully you will believe me.
I will address Hank's points against me and then move on to Dylan's.
Hank's first point against me is that I seem very calculated in my speech and my actions.
In the first accusation, my speech, I ask, do you all think I talk this way normally in instant message conversations? Do you all think I type formally and eloquently, with no contractions and correct spelling? Do all of you honestly believe that I use the term *laughs* instead of the term "lol"? If you do, then you are clearly mistaken. Like other people, I have altered the way I talk as well to disguise my true identity. I have also altered my personality for this game. I am dark. I am soft-spoken. I am unfriendly. I am careful in the way I word things. If you cannot deal with this, then please eliminate me. When I signed up for this game I understood it to be a roleplaying game. It is obviously not, as most people just play as themselves. If you cannot handle a player that talks and acts in character because it disrupts with the way you relate to players in Mafia games, please, vote me off and spare yourself the agony with having to deal with me.
As for me being calculated in my actions, yes, I admit that I am more of a woman who waits and watches what other people do before taking my own actions. Part of this has to do with me being new to this game, and another part of it has to do with my own personality I have decided to portray. Perhaps this makes me a follower, or not an independent thinker, but this is just how I am.
Hank's second point against me is that I have not campaigned or gone after anyone. To be completely frank, if you want to have me start screaming at people and confronting people I am sorry to say that you will not see this happen, that is not me. I do have my own opinions and convictions, and have voiced them when asked in one on one conversations. To be honest, I had felt before tonight that Hank and Dylan were the people I had expressed my opinions most to about other players, but obviously based on their own posts they do not feel the same way. I am a little more hesitant to make these opinions public in posts or in group conversations, and during the fights and arguments that break out in the group chats I usually have nothing to add of value so I do not add it. I am not entirely sure why this is, but I suspect part of it is that the stronger personalities in the arguments intimidate me a little. I know that this makes me a weaker citizen or member of the town. I am not an idiot, I can tell how people react towards my contributions or lack thereof during group chats. I have tried to contribute by posting group chats and saving all my chats so I can retrieve them, but now I see that has made me suspicious as well.
Another reason that I have not really gone after other people is that I am not really sure what I should be looking for. At times I feel this has made me apathetic to the Spies game, because honestly I have felt that it is more luck than anything that aids one in catching these Spies. I had felt strange after the Lydia and Adrasteia votes when everyone seemed to crow about how they knew all along that they were Spies. To me, Adrasteia was nice. She was someone I talked to. When I voted for her, I wasn't at all sure about her being a spy like I had been about voting for Jim Bob. Afterwards when everyone was talking about how suspicious they were I was just troubled by it all because I did not feel that strongly about Adrasteia at al being a Spy, besides the fact that she was manipulative. Anyway, to be perfectly honest my feelings that this game has no logic in finding spies has made me a little disinterested in it, and thus could be another reason I do not make the time to come online as much anymore. I know this is terrible, and makes me a lazy player and a lazy citizen, but it is how I honestly feel.
I will comment on Dylan's things tomorrow, because I have to wake up at 5 am tomorrow and it is 12:30 for me right now. I apologize.
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Cassidy
Cassidy
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Post by Cassidy on Feb 8, 2010 7:45:05 GMT -5
Awwwwwwwww, Buthayna  |
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Joshua
Joshua
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Post by Joshua on Feb 8, 2010 12:54:23 GMT -5
wht a copout.
1. u lyk say that it ur personality is quiet bcause its hw ur character is. i think that is BULLSHIT. ur making an excuse 4 ur character so that u dnt have to DO NYTHING.
2. ur not sure wat were luking for? were lookng 4 SPIES.
3. ur new 2 d game. um we have been playng for lyk one month now and ur not sure how to play and how to catch spies? r u hiding under a rock? hav u not seen othr ppl do it?
4. 2 ctch spies u dnt have to shout at ppl. i knw a fw ppl who try to ctch spies but they r not AHOLES or shout about it.
5. stop the drama. stop caling urself weak. i thnk ur smart bcause at least u can spell and lyk make big text and all that shit.
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Hank
Hank
My ax thirsts for spy blood! Spies5Xavier
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Post by Hank on Feb 8, 2010 15:25:12 GMT -5
Hello everyone. Hank's first point against me is that I seem very calculated in my speech and my actions. In the first accusation, my speech, I ask, do you all think I talk this way normally in instant message conversations? Do you all think I type formally and eloquently, with no contractions and correct spelling? Do all of you honestly believe that I use the term *laughs* instead of the term "lol"? If you do, then you are clearly mistaken. Like other people, I have altered the way I talk as well to disguise my true identity. I have also altered my personality for this game. I am dark. I am soft-spoken. I am unfriendly. I am careful in the way I word things. If you cannot deal with this, then please eliminate me. When I signed up for this game I understood it to be a roleplaying game. It is obviously not, as most people just play as themselves. If you cannot handle a player that talks and acts in character because it disrupts with the way you relate to players in Mafia games, please, vote me off and spare yourself the agony with having to deal with me. I want to be clear in that I am not suspicious of you because of character roleplay. If I was voting off people based on roleplay, there would be a number of other individuals higher up on that list. Personally, I don't mind your character and you tend to be one of the people I enjoy chatting with the most. Again, let me clarify. I am not, nor do I think anyone else, is expecting a bunch of screaming. That would be hypocritical on my part, as I am not one to get worked up and blow a gasket. (Usually, aside from Alliance stuff  ) Plenty of people bring about evidence and present it without the extra insults/hostility, though I'm sure a few enjoy it. I'm concerned because I haven't seen any of those sorts of contributions. If you feel that there is no logic in the finding of spies, why not try to bring some in and incorporate it? Share thoughts and bring forth actions or people you feel suspect. Information such as that has many benefits, even if they may not be accurate and lead to the exile of a spy. Seeing who agreed/argued with/against it also brings about good information. I think with the less that is out there, the more spies thrive. This is partially where my suspicions stem from. All we really know is your votes and more or less the why. Beyond that, I'm not sure if anyone knows much else as far as what you think of others, the evidence presented, and so on. I think off the top of my head I only know of one person whom you have suspcions of. One last note. I don't feel you are the only one who has fallen into this same situation. Kathie is someone else who is in the same boat with all things considered and needs to be looked at/prodded as well. |
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Dylan
Dylan
Spies4Adelaide, Spies5Subhi, Spies6Almathea
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Post by Dylan on Feb 8, 2010 16:25:00 GMT -5
Buthay - you voted Harold to avoid a split vote. I see our chat and remember what it was like with the confusion in Illuminati when compared to the structuredness of Freemasons. However - what made Stone so much more citty that you would vote Harold to stop his exile?
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Post by Kieno on Feb 8, 2010 19:52:36 GMT -5
get on AIM STAT or i'm voting you next exile. you have a metric shit ton of explaining to do. Has Kleyton ever said what this metric shit ton of explaining refers to? |
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Cassidy
Cassidy
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Post by Cassidy on Feb 8, 2010 20:11:06 GMT -5
aaaaaaaaaaaahahaha, I just noticed that instead of trying to drown a fish, your new catchphrase is that you tried to climb a glass wall to see the other side.
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Post by Kieno on Feb 8, 2010 20:13:20 GMT -5
Yep, Sam is a funny dude. You must have missed the one where I studied for a blood test...
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Cassidy
Cassidy
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Post by Cassidy on Feb 8, 2010 20:15:22 GMT -5
 omg I totally did |
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Post by Buthayna on Feb 8, 2010 20:48:24 GMT -5
Firstly, here is the metric ton of shit by Kleyton: [19:25] Kleyton: YOU [19:25] spies7buthayna: Hello Kleyton. Long time no see! *laughs* [19:25] Kleyton: so i see you haven't read the burg LOL [19:26] spies7buthayna: I have read the burg. Do you mean in the last hour? [19:27] Kleyton: nope [19:27] Kleyton: i made a thread calling you out [19:27] spies7buthayna: Hmm. I will go look at it then. [19:27] Kleyton: no need [19:28] Kleyton: truth is, i know your little secret [19:28] Kleyton: you know, the secret that makes you a spy LOL [19:28] spies7buthayna: Okay, I saw it. I am not a spy. [19:28] Kleyton: that's not what my intel suggests LOL [19:29] spies7buthayna: What are your reasons for suspecting me? [19:30] Kleyton: a little birdie told me you're a spy, but that we might need to keep a spy around to defeat a mutual enemy [19:30] Kleyton: there's a serial killer in the game that can't be imprisoned, according to this birdie [19:31] Kleyton: the birdie doesn't want to take the knowledge of your spyness public in hopes that you will inform us of who you guys try to imprison, IF an imprisonment gets blocked [19:31] Kleyton: that person would most likely be the serial killer [19:32] spies7buthayna: Kleyton, I am not a spy. I am a citizen and I do not know who the spies plan on imprisoning. [19:32] Kleyton: ok [19:32] Kleyton: had to try it  [19:33] Kleyton: it was all a lie [19:33] Kleyton: anyways i made that thread because i hadn't seen you on in a long time [19:33] spies7buthayna: *laughs* KLEYTON! [19:34] spies7buthayna: Yes, I have picked up some new duties at the animal shelter. I have to wake up at 5 and I get home at 5-6. Because of this I have become less active than what I would like Now, I will make my next post with answering Dylan's questions. |
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Post by Buthayna on Feb 8, 2010 22:06:34 GMT -5
I will now attempt to answer Dylan's questions.
Before Bianca made her post that made me change my vote, I was set on voting for Daria. To me, exiling an inactive was something that seemed to me like it would help the town. During the first few rounds I based my votes on voting for people who did not give me any information at all. I felt that if they were not telling me any information, why should I vote in their favor? This is why I was voting between Joshua and Jim Bob during the first round, and why I was going to vote for Daria during the second episode.
However, after I read Bianca's post I realized that voting an inactive off early in the game would be bad, because of the fact that it does not tell the town anything about the spies.
I was then put in a difficult position, because the people who were under the most suspicion were Adrasteia and Dylan. I had been close to both of them during the first round, and now they were both people that I were starting to get suspicious of. However, I also knew that if I voted for Adrasteia that I would be accused of jumping on the bandwagon regardless. After a conversation with Cassidy I decided to go with my gut and I voted for Adrasteia.
I switched my vote from Sophi to Harold in round three. I felt there were a majority of Spies on the Illuminati team and they could take an advantage if the votes split. I was also not going to be around during the night of the exile. Harold looked to me to be the one most certain to at least receive some votes from people I thought were citizens and would not change their votes, so I voted for him.
The vote was never between Stone and Harold for me. The only two I had heard talk about voting Stone were Dylan and Kleyton. I did not feel Kleyton's reasoning for voting for Stone was good, so I never gave it a second thought.
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Joshua
Joshua
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Post by Joshua on Feb 14, 2010 22:37:39 GMT -5
buthy y ddnt u answer julias question? wat was d mst cit thing uve done? ive aanswerd ur question so y nt answr d same question?
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Joshua
Joshua
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Post by Joshua on Feb 14, 2010 23:28:06 GMT -5
Another reason that I have not really gone after other people is that I am not really sure what I should be looking for. However, Harold's cover-up of his allignment has puzzled me a little. As I had mentioned to both Vladimir and Hank, one of my theories on Sophi was that she is a Traitor. I read that in last season there was a Traitor, a citizen who is secretly working with the spies. In my mind, it would be good for a Traitor to target lurkers in the beginning of the game, as it would hinder the other citizens from discovering information about the spies. f u read d last season and lyk ndrestna dwat a tritor is then y wud u say that u dnt know what to luk for in looking 4 spies? r u luking 4 spies or r u luking 4 triators? i thnk ur a spy luking 4 a tritor bcause ur losing! |
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Cassidy
Cassidy
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Post by Cassidy on Feb 15, 2010 2:07:09 GMT -5
Translation (tentative)
Fuck you Madam; you read the last season of Spies, and somethingsomething know what a traitor is then WHY would you say that you don't know what to look for when seeking out spies? Are you looking for spies, or are you rather looking for traitors?
I think you are a spy looking for a traitor because you are losing! POPPYCOCK!
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Vladimir
Vladimir
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Post by Vladimir on Feb 15, 2010 2:22:47 GMT -5
Thank you. +points.
1/2
The missing word is "understand", but it was close.
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Cassidy
Cassidy
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Post by Cassidy on Feb 15, 2010 2:25:46 GMT -5
OHHHHH
I thought he was trying to pronounce Adrasteia or it was a clump of words, but Understand works perfectly!
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omg I totally did